tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post5624810541556714325..comments2024-02-26T01:23:43.923-06:00Comments on Loretta Nall: Shelby Co. Drug Court Testing Parents of Enrolled JuvenilesLoretta Nallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-79081577306673814772012-10-21T05:27:09.265-05:002012-10-21T05:27:09.265-05:00And,if you don't have the money for a drug tes...And,if you don't have the money for a drug test,you are considered dirty or positive for drugs.if you drink to much water,you considered diluted,which is positive for drugs, if you are positive for pot,you are considered a addict.my 15 years alcohol free meant nothing to these peopleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-43749459840101970872012-10-21T05:14:20.579-05:002012-10-21T05:14:20.579-05:00Well,the way you are forced to sign is the paper...Well,the way you are forced to sign is the paperwork lets you know quick that the next step will be Dhr(another shelby co. Nightmare) trying to gain custody of your child,and make no mistake,they will take them from you,tie you up in court,damaging your childs life,head and heart,let alone security. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-16782135243662516412012-03-06T14:22:51.523-06:002012-03-06T14:22:51.523-06:00I went through and graduated the Shelby County Dru...I went through and graduated the Shelby County Drug Court. I can say without a doubt that is is the most corrupt and poorly ran system I have ever seen. First of all I had never been in trouble in my life before that. The public defenders do everything but twist your arm to make you sign up. Furthermore you can babreky take take any over the counter medication if you are sick. To make matters worse if you have to go to the doctor you have to get the the doc to sign a paper saying that you are a drug addict whether its true or not. The public defenders are criminals and so is the judge I hope one day someone will look into that program and see it for what it really is. A money making scam. For god sakes they won't even let u take benadryll if you get stung by a wasp they will put you in jail. F shelby co and f there so called corrupt judicial system. They need to ne stoppedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-88074570967529994712012-01-28T11:04:50.341-06:002012-01-28T11:04:50.341-06:00Amazing information! All of which I have heard be...Amazing information! All of which I have heard before. Lets not forget that this process starts at the city level. While I am fully aware and have personally witnessed what alcohol / drug abuse can do to a person and their families, this process in Shelby County has gotten out of control. Lets look at who is REALLY benefiting from the program. Who is looking at the statistics since this drug program has began? I am sure that monetarily those numbers would be available, but what about the "reform" of the juveniles / persons involved. Or does anyone really care since this is a "criminal process". I will be following this blog for more updates. Thanks to you guys for what seems like trusted and accurate information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-34515073058554121362011-12-05T23:46:16.317-06:002011-12-05T23:46:16.317-06:00Dear Anonymous whose lawyer got got your case move...Dear Anonymous whose lawyer got got your case moved to traffic court--who was your lawyer please, he is needed. Loretta or anyone, can you recommend lawyer who will fight the Shelby County system?<br /><br />Anonymous Dec. 2, 1011Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-86000367134968066952011-07-30T16:34:04.847-05:002011-07-30T16:34:04.847-05:00I was also in the shelby county drug court for pos...I was also in the shelby county drug court for possession of marijuana(half a gram).After the initial appearance my lawyer had my case moved to the traffic and mistemeaner court signed by judge Jackson.What if any advantage is this to be out of drug court? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-29606035520738342492011-07-10T17:07:43.540-05:002011-07-10T17:07:43.540-05:00Sixstring I understand that under the technicality...Sixstring I understand that under the technicality of the law, I am by all means guilty. I was aware of what was going on around me and that it was illegal. But I never thought that what others were doing around me would affect me. I don't know anyone who would think to themselves, even though I paid for these seats, maybe I sould leave my seat or venue to avoid breaking the law? As far as proof, I took my first drug test 6 days after my arrest, and the fact that on the date on my arrest I was 13 weeks and 6 days pregnant, which I also provided doctor documentation in court. It seems to me that there is no way in hell they are going to simply drop my charges. In the meantime, the judge has dropped the pre-trial probation testing, so I don't have to be back there till my district court date. And the only reason I want just take the drug court is because they refuse to transfer it. It sounds great to me to jump through hoops for 6 months to get rid of all this. But I live 4 hours away.It is a 9 hour round trip for me to wait an hour, pay $30, and piss in a cup. Not to mention I have made the drive twice to meet with my Pre-trial Prob. officer, for her not to show up, and the other time she had a sceduled holiday, yet she set these appointments, and I got fined for missing the appointments. I own a business. It is a mojor inconvience, (which is really all the program is designed to be)for me to leave my business unattended 3-4 days a week. It cost my company money, not just me, and we all know its near to impossible to keep a small business thriving these days. I have also used the business arguement. I am a thriving member of society; I have a college education (from the state of Alabama). I have hired 6 employees since the new year. I am providing jobs therefor boosting the economy. The more I see how people are treated in Shelby Co. drug court system and the more I hear their testimony, the more I am conveinced that there is something wrong with this. Not once have they ever asked me about my drug use or if I need help. They have never offered me a real treatment program. Its piss when your color is called, and pay $30 for your PO to ask you if you are still employed, have same address, or anymore charges. All they do is break people down by dehumanizing them. You need drugs after dealing with those people. I can go on and on about the people employee in the community corrections department. BTW, they don't take debit/credit cards, cash only. There is fine of $20 if you don't have correct change, nor are you allowed to leave to find some place to make change for you. Learned that the hard way my first visit. Its all about making a dollar by any means :)Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13322864865929177654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-42258496505450676522011-07-10T15:34:25.897-05:002011-07-10T15:34:25.897-05:00drug court is a money racket nothing more
also un...drug court is a money racket nothing more<br /><br />also unequal access is a huge issue <br />if you have cash and loads of it you can get in<br /><br />for those that dont have cash its jail<br /><br />as jessicas case clearly shows it is not about helping those with serious drug problemsLoretta Nallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-75465883309287948832011-07-10T15:26:06.090-05:002011-07-10T15:26:06.090-05:00The whole drug court thing is a bunch of B.S. Real...The whole drug court thing is a bunch of B.S. Really? treatment for marijuana addiction?<br /><br />Yep, like Pickle says, they make the risk too great to fight it. Even if you're innocent it takes guts.<br /><br />Jessica, if you could prove you were drug free at the time of the incident and have been since with maybe a hair test or something(not sure how long it's been), the judge might drop the drug testing requirement.sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-40082384351653330612011-07-10T15:14:33.343-05:002011-07-10T15:14:33.343-05:00The major issue that I have with them forcing Jess...The major issue that I have with them forcing Jessica into drug court is that there is no evidence of drug use <br /><br />drug court is for folks who actually use drugs even though i disagree with it entirelyLoretta Nallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-20757835556358991792011-07-10T15:02:13.827-05:002011-07-10T15:02:13.827-05:00I was also arrested by Shelby county for passing a...I was also arrested by Shelby county for passing a joint at a rock concert. So was everyone sitting next to me. I wanted to fight it, but my lawyer said I was technically guilty of possession & just to take their deferred drug court program because if I fought it & lost I would have a drug charge on my record, lose my DL, and have to do 1-2 years probation. I just could not take that risk. Yes you have to drug test pre-trial because its a condition of your bond..I live over an hour from Columbiania & driving back and forth several times a week was rough. I did the 6 months of drug court. It was hell. 6 months of my life I just want to forget all about. But I did every stupid thing they told me to do & I graduated from the program and my charges were dropped & I did not lose my licence. It sucks, sorry others have to deal with this crap.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00578525668538181284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-33247041760107833662011-07-10T14:39:25.631-05:002011-07-10T14:39:25.631-05:00Jessica,
Sorry you got busted. A similar thing ha...Jessica,<br /><br />Sorry you got busted. A similar thing happened to me when I was a young man except it was just someone next to me smoking a joint at a concert, I never even touched it. The cops lied and said I did.<br /><br />I never heard of pre trial probation. I assume you mean the drug testing is a condition of bail?<br /><br /><br />My two cents:<br /><br />Technically, you were in possession of the joint when you accepted it. Constructive posession means the contraband was in an area under your control and you knew it was contraband. In this case, you were in actual possesion and if you knew it was contraband, you would be technically guilty of possession.<br />You might convince a jury to acquit if you can prove you are not a smoker and only passed the joint. But that's rolling the dice.<br /><br />1 year unsupervised with the carges dismissed after probation would be a decent deal. You have already demonstrated to them your willingness to fight this, so you will get their best deal. I konw you didn't do anything wrong and don't even smoke, but that's how screwed up our system is.<br />What music you isten to is irrelevant and any mention of it in court should be objected to.<br />Most of them probably listen to Willie anyway...sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-105379237652050802011-07-09T17:42:49.676-05:002011-07-09T17:42:49.676-05:00Ms. Nall I have learned alot about you in my resea...Ms. Nall I have learned alot about you in my research. I, too, am fighting a case against the shelby Co. Drug Court. My case has now been moved to district court. I was arrested at a rock concert after someone passed me a joint, I'm not a smoker, so passed it on. Regardless, I was arressted along with the group around me. And although I haven't failed a drug test in Shelby Co. Pre-trial probation, and my arresting officers report says he saw me pass it, not smoke it, the DA refuses to drop my charges. At first the public defender tried to get me to make a deal. If I would just plead guilty, go through the drug treatment program, they would drop my charge. But I do not feel that I am guilty of anything,but being in the wrong place at the wrong time, so thats when I got a lawyer. In circuit court, they offered me to either go through the treatment program (without dropping charges now, b/c I won't admitt guilt)or 2 years unsupervised probation w/risk of 90 days in jail. I refused that as well, and now we are going to district court. I didn't mention, I live out of state, so I cannot tell what a hardship it is for me to drive 4 hours one way to take a drug test 3-4 times a week, b/c they refuse to transfer my probation, which I am sure is b/c they will lose my money. But they are about to lose a lot more than that, cause I am determined to fight for my innocence, and my rights as an ammerican. I have grown-up believing that you are innocent untill proven guilty, but not in Shelby Co. Alabama. I have had to do everything to defend my character, now the prosecutors are trying to prove that the music I listen to proves that I am a likely drug user, yet they have no evidence. They didn't find any drugs on me and I haven't failed a drug test. They are charging me with constructive Posession(which means I had knowledge of the drugs around me), which has the same punishment as if they found a pound of marijuana on me. I have done alot of research on the Shelby Co. drug task force and court system. There budget was cut in half at the begining of the 2011 fiscal year. There director stated that they would whatever possible to maintain their program. Well, I am the example of that. They will charge anyone for anything, because most people will crumble and take their deal, b/c believe me they make it sound like its your only option. The public defender also tried to sell me on what a good program this was, and if I did good in it, I get promoted more quickly. There is obviously a lot of unconstitutional practices going on in Shelby County. As well as some corrupt officials. And someone finally needs to challenge them. I can send you all information public records, and accounts I have found. I will be glad to share more details about my case as well. I want to get the word out about what is going on in Alabama.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13322864865929177654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-63246303963395559622011-02-06T10:24:49.586-06:002011-02-06T10:24:49.586-06:00THEY TO START CHECKING ALL POWER TRIPPING JUDGES F...THEY TO START CHECKING ALL POWER TRIPPING JUDGES FOR WEAPONS...IM SERIOUS I CAN SEE IT NOW...PEE IN THE CUP OR GET SHOT. WHO CARES IF YOUR CHILD IS RUNNING FEVER AND NEEDS MOTRIN..GIVE TO HIM AND I KILL U...IM MAKING A JOKE BUT THIS IS SERIOUS..GETTEM LORETTA...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-24316167392627326742011-02-04T06:39:28.672-06:002011-02-04T06:39:28.672-06:00Interesting story. I'd also follow the money/...Interesting story. I'd also follow the money/funding on this one.<br /><br />http://www.familyconnection-inc.org/coalition/?pageID=36Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-12952046517860038192011-01-29T12:16:25.118-06:002011-01-29T12:16:25.118-06:00http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/02/idaho...http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jun/02/idaho-supreme-court-says-no-drug-testing-parents/sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-77479573410511598142011-01-29T09:23:42.470-06:002011-01-29T09:23:42.470-06:00So, the parents could refuse drug court and go to ...So, the parents could refuse drug court and go to trial, notwithstanding the judge saying the child would be found guilty and sent to drug court anyway. Maybe this is the best course for someone who knows they will test positive. Depends on the seriouseness of the charge and the possible sentence. This program is operated under the guise of voluntariness. It sounds like the judge told the parents that they really had no option. Involuntary consent is no consent at all.sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-69027393032721525942011-01-29T08:42:45.730-06:002011-01-29T08:42:45.730-06:00Ok, I see how he was forced now.
This cannot be co...Ok, I see how he was forced now.<br />This cannot be constitutional. How can someone not even accused of a crime be detained and sent to jail?<br />Oh, I forgot, we are not living in the land of the free.<br />I suppose the judge would claim contempt of court, but that's B.S.<br />We all know about the uselessness of a P.D. They need a real lawyer.<br />"Very problematic" is a very mild characterization.sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-1474997413406680822011-01-28T15:39:47.578-06:002011-01-28T15:39:47.578-06:00Olivia Turner at Alabama ACLU emailed me back and ...Olivia Turner at Alabama ACLU emailed me back and they are going to take a look at the case. Said it is "very problematic".Loretta Nallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-56943869359507100672011-01-28T08:44:18.487-06:002011-01-28T08:44:18.487-06:00"Forced" to sign? How? Has anyone had th..."Forced" to sign? How? Has anyone had the guts to say "I'm not agreeing to this"? I doubt it.I think once you sign, you are on shakier legal ground. It's hard to then say I was forced to sign.sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-31977927358866514882011-01-28T08:34:31.271-06:002011-01-28T08:34:31.271-06:00The law that quote mentions was updated in 2009, a...The law that quote mentions was updated in 2009, according to ALIS. That section was replaced by section 12-15-116 which can be found here http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/CodeOfAlabama/1975/12-15-116.htm<br /><br />Regardless of what year it was updated, it will be cited as being part of the "Alabama Code of 1975" which is a little misleading. That's the full name of the Alabama of laws, even though it's updated and changed every year.<br /><br />I'm not a lawyer, paralegal, or any other kind of law professional. I just learned my way around ALIS and came up against the "1975" thing for a class once. Hope this helps!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-1371951888926723662011-01-28T08:34:22.124-06:002011-01-28T08:34:22.124-06:00The parents are forced to sign. The only way to av...The parents are forced to sign. The only way to avoid it is to hide out when they come to serve the papers. In this case the paperwork was done in court, while the parents were present.<br /><br />The father signed. He also took and failed the drug test for marijuana. He is not in jail as of last night. I think since it was his first time the judge may have some "get clean in 30 days policy". <br /><br />I've just emailed this story to Peter Wilkinson at Rolling Stone. He covered the Webster Alexander case. Let's hope he's interested.Loretta Nallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-7144830666948792072011-01-28T08:27:27.134-06:002011-01-28T08:27:27.134-06:00And the part about allowing entry to the home at a...And the part about allowing entry to the home at any time by a drug cort member definately is a violation of 4th amendtment. Reasonable suspicion is required to enter a home without a warrant even if you are on probation (U.S. v Knights)!<br />Are the parents require to sign this "paperwork"? Did they in this case (consent)?sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-12531641744675147362011-01-28T08:19:49.831-06:002011-01-28T08:19:49.831-06:00I don't know six. I hope this family fights it...I don't know six. I hope this family fights it. However, it would probably cost an astronomical amount of money unless we could find a non-profit legal center to take the case.Loretta Nallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10598106614871958352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16801508.post-41769450228071299892011-01-28T08:14:16.719-06:002011-01-28T08:14:16.719-06:00I agree that this language in the code is so vague...I agree that this language in the code is so vague(subject to other things also?), it might be unconstitutional. Has anyone had the balls and money to challenge this in court ( not just the juvi court)? They can do anything they want if it is never challenged.sixstringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878454964527305341noreply@blogger.com